8 Deck Blackjack
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Hi guys, this is my first post on the wizard and I am hoping someone can help me out. I would like to know the best strategy for attacking 8 deck bj at my nearby casino. Their rules are : -8 decks -S on S17 - no DAS - double on any 1st 2 cards -can re split to 3 hands -no re split aces -no surrender -bj pays 3:2 .... I am fairly new to blackjack but I have basic strategy memorized and I have been practicing my but off counting cards (hi low) I am wondering if counting cards would be effective against these rules ? Another thing is they use cut cards at approx 6 decks in (removing 2 decks). I have also wondered if counting works with these cut cards in play? Please help me become a better player and earn some extra dough to pay for next semester! -thanks
Lemieux66
What's your bankroll? That's an incredibly important first question.10 eyes for an eye. 10 teeth for a tooth. 10 bucks for a buck?! Hit the bad guys where it hurts the most: the face and the wallet.
jket25
My bankroll is at $15,000, I was thinking about a spread of 1-12 playing $5 min tables my max bet being $60
Lemieux66
My bankroll is at $15,000, I was thinking about a spread of 1-12 playing $5 min tables my max bet being $60
Holy crap that's a good bit of change for that spread. If you don't get any heat you should make money.
10 eyes for an eye. 10 teeth for a tooth. 10 bucks for a buck?! Hit the bad guys where it hurts the most: the face and the wallet.
jket25
Do you think counting is the best way then? I'm just iffy on it due to the 8 decks and cut card , I feel like that might hurt my odds while counting
jket25
Do you think 4,000-5,000 is a more reasonable bankroll for this spread ?
AcesAndEights
Do you think 4,000-5,000 is a more reasonable bankroll for this spread ?
More bankroll is always better. Basically your Risk of Ruin is pretty low with that bankroll spreading 5-60, which is a good thing! You should spread higher, if possible. No DAS is a weird rule to have at an 8 deck game, especially a S17 8 deck game. I have never seen a S17 8-deck game, to be honest.
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You are playing with an advantage, assuming everything you say is true and you are competent. Not sure how much of an edge, though. 75% pen is pretty bad for 8 deck.'So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust.' -ontariodealer
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Lemieux66
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More bankroll is always better. Basically your Risk of Ruin is pretty low with that bankroll spreading 5-60, which is a good thing! You should spread higher, if possible. No DAS is a weird rule to have at an 8 deck game, especially a S17 8 deck game. I have never seen a S17 8-deck game, to be honest.
You are playing with an advantage, assuming everything you say is true and you are competent. Not sure how much of an edge, though. 75% pen is pretty bad for 8 deck.
That might be the trade off for a 5 dollar min game with s17.
10 eyes for an eye. 10 teeth for a tooth. 10 bucks for a buck?! Hit the bad guys where it hurts the most: the face and the wallet.
HowMany
Your bankroll is adequate, but the game is pretty weak. You have an edge, but it's small. Your N0 is sky high.
It's a good game to practice and hone your skills, but not a good money maker.
See you at the tables, man.
It's a good game to practice and hone your skills, but not a good money maker.
See you at the tables, man.
98Clubs
I would say...
1.) learn Basic Strategy perfectly
2.) learn Hi/low perfectly
3.) Keep your decisions reletively simple (hit 2-card 16 vs. 10, but stand 3-card 16, DD 9 or Soft 18 vs. 2, 11 vs Ace, etc.) don't go that extra mile at +EV, build confidence
4.) Spreading 5-60 at a game with an EV of -0.6% isn't gonna win much... like maybe 60 units ($300) in 50,000 hands. But is a good solid way to get involved. A better Stand soft-17 game is on the East Coast, with DAS, Split 4 handed, and Surrender (EV -0.35%). The 8-deckers on E. Coast are 75-85% penetration.
5.) The cut-card has little effect (maybe 0.02%) on 8 decks. You will find that generally a shoe will stay good or stay bad longer than games with 2 decks. When bad leave. When good stay.
6.) Keep this little rule in mind... don't raise your bet until you win at the better 'level', and then limit it to a double-up. But ALWAYS reduce the bet when the score indicates to do so, and always make the correct bet when reducing.
1.) learn Basic Strategy perfectly
2.) learn Hi/low perfectly
3.) Keep your decisions reletively simple (hit 2-card 16 vs. 10, but stand 3-card 16, DD 9 or Soft 18 vs. 2, 11 vs Ace, etc.) don't go that extra mile at +EV, build confidence
4.) Spreading 5-60 at a game with an EV of -0.6% isn't gonna win much... like maybe 60 units ($300) in 50,000 hands. But is a good solid way to get involved. A better Stand soft-17 game is on the East Coast, with DAS, Split 4 handed, and Surrender (EV -0.35%). The 8-deckers on E. Coast are 75-85% penetration.
5.) The cut-card has little effect (maybe 0.02%) on 8 decks. You will find that generally a shoe will stay good or stay bad longer than games with 2 decks. When bad leave. When good stay.
6.) Keep this little rule in mind... don't raise your bet until you win at the better 'level', and then limit it to a double-up. But ALWAYS reduce the bet when the score indicates to do so, and always make the correct bet when reducing.
8 Deck Blackjack Strategy
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The most popular blackjack game nowadays is played with 8 decks of cards. Though it may seem impossible to count cards here, below you can see that the chances are still high that you will improve your odds and the graphics shows you the frequencies the count will occur.
% of times occurred in the games
Count
Though the chances of having a very high or very low count are extremely low, you can still use the count to your advantage. Have a look at the table below to see the advantages.
| Count | % | Prob. this or more |
| -49 | 0,00000003% | 100,00000000% |
| -48 | 0,00000006% | 99,99999997% |
| -47 | 0,00000021% | 99,99999991% |
| -46 | 0,00000027% | 99,99999970% |
| -45 | 0,00000033% | 99,99999943% |
| -44 | 0,00000021% | 99,99999910% |
| -43 | 0,00000021% | 99,99999889% |
| -42 | 0,00000042% | 99,99999868% |
| -41 | 0,00000057% | 99,99999826% |
| -40 | 0,00000129% | 99,99999769% |
| -39 | 0,00000267% | 99,99999640% |
| -38 | 0,00000577% | 99,99999372% |
| -37 | 0,00001192% | 99,99998796% |
| -36 | 0,00002135% | 99,99997603% |
| -35 | 0,00003997% | 99,99995468% |
| -34 | 0,00006874% | 99,99991471% |
| -33 | 0,00012276% | 99,99984597% |
| -32 | 0,00020336% | 99,99972321% |
| -31 | 0,00034258% | 99,99951985% |
| -30 | 0,00056772% | 99,99917727% |
| -29 | 0,00094862% | 99,99860955% |
| -28 | 0,00148646% | 99,99766093% |
| -27 | 0,00242661% | 99,99617447% |
| -26 | 0,00378132% | 99,99374787% |
| -25 | 0,00570811% | 99,98996654% |
| -24 | 0,00861279% | 99,98425844% |
| -23 | 0,01276072% | 99,97564564% |
| -22 | 0,01881787% | 99,96288492% |
| -21 | 0,02687454% | 99,94406705% |
| -20 | 0,03836799% | 99,91719252% |
| -19 | 0,05366363% | 99,87882453% |
| -18 | 0,07276165% | 99,82516090% |
| -17 | 0,10027183% | 99,75239925% |
| -16 | 0,13420432% | 99,65212741% |
| -15 | 0,17767643% | 99,5179% |
| -14 | 0,23517096% | 99,3402% |
| -13 | 0,30721438% | 99,1051% |
| -12 | 0,39385820% | 98,7979% |
| -11 | 0,49583814% | 98,4040% |
| -10 | 0,65706943% | 97,9% |
| -9 | 0,81199775% | 97,3% |
| -8 | 1,03675913% | 96,4% |
| -7 | 1,37508469% | 95,4% |
| -6 | 1,80959369% | 94,0% |
| -5 | 2,44941697% | 92,2% |
| -4 | 3,44408967% | 89,8% |
| -3 | 5,10863060% | 86,3% |
| -2 | 8,06068240% | 81,2% |
| -1 | 13,84397685% | 73,2% |
| 0 | 18,70279601% | 59,3% |
| 1 | 13,82825814% | 40,6% |
| 2 | 8,04279303% | 26,8% |
| 3 | 5,09367991% | 18,7% |
| 4 | 3,43603877% | 13,6% |
| 5 | 2,44108946% | 10,2% |
| 6 | 1,80182387% | 7,8% |
| 7 | 1,36877544% | 6,0% |
| 8 | 1,03208321% | 4,6% |
| 9 | 0,80882601% | 3,6% |
| 10 | 0,65469463% | 2,8% |
| 11 | 0,49454697% | 2,1000% |
| 12 | 0,39331168% | 1,6055% |
| 13 | 0,30716922% | 1,2121% |
| 14 | 0,23571526% | 0,9050% |
| 15 | 0,17839949% | 0,6693% |
| 16 | 0,13512375% | 0,49086273% |
| 17 | 0,10143784% | 0,35573898% |
| 18 | 0,07382084% | 0,25430114% |
| 19 | 0,05474817% | 0,18048030% |
| 20 | 0,03928402% | 0,12573213% |
| 21 | 0,02759649% | 0,08644811% |
| 22 | 0,01944327% | 0,05885162% |
| 23 | 0,01332745% | 0,03940835% |
| 24 | 0,00906333% | 0,02608090% |
| 25 | 0,00602366% | 0,01701757% |
| 26 | 0,00406264% | 0,01099390% |
| 27 | 0,00264117% | 0,00693126% |
| 28 | 0,00163309% | 0,00429009% |
| 29 | 0,00105093% | 0,00265700% |
| 30 | 0,00063724% | 0,00160606% |
| 31 | 0,00039910% | 0,00096883% |
| 32 | 0,00024387% | 0,00056973% |
| 33 | 0,00014429% | 0,00032585% |
| 34 | 0,00008012% | 0,00018156% |
| 35 | 0,00004381% | 0,00010144% |
| 36 | 0,00002438% | 0,00005763% |
| 37 | 0,00001429% | 0,00003324% |
| 38 | 0,00000802% | 0,00001895% |
| 39 | 0,00000435% | 0,00001093% |
| 40 | 0,00000312% | 0,00000658% |
| 41 | 0,00000189% | 0,00000345% |
| 42 | 0,00000087% | 0,00000156% |
| 43 | 0,00000045% | 0,00000069% |
| 44 | 0,00000012% | 0,00000024% |
| 45 | 0,00000009% | 0,00000012% |
| 46 | 0,00000003% | 0,00000003% |